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explore the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports Wow look at that that's a

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car shape coming in over 200 over the

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farmland Tivat it's headed right towards

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the window they're at a proctored I

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think it's gonna I think it's gonna

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court my goodness is crashed into the

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know the window and and and there's a

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little body on the ground

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it's very strange I don't think this is

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this is from Earth at all Tim what do we

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do call the medics Tim that that was my

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$500 drone that just crashed into the

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windmill oh well I don't know Tim it's a

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hundred years ago I don't think you had

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a drone then uh-huh any and anyway it's

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it's very is very peculiar very strange

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and but then again what are we hosting

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it's exploring the bazaar and we've got

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a real strange one tonight oh I'm

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looking forward to this I just love UFO

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shows I feel right at home

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just like I landed here in a spaceship

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did I land here in a spaceship my

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goodness you know I might have done that

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I came in right after Roswell or maybe

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right before Roswell or on the day of

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Roswell maybe I should be somewhere else

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but I'm here now and it's a it's there

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it's Thursday night well it is now when

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we're doing this live and we've got some

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fascinating guests on tonight and we're

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going to get go deep into

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the UFO mystery like we've never done

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no that's right we've never done it

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before but I'm still I'm still upset

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about my my new $500 drone talent but I

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I just I don't know if I can make it

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through the rest of the show now I'm

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just so verklempt yeah we'll we'll look

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for one on Amazon for you okay

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thanks but in the meantime we got out of

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this evening oh we've got great guests

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tonight just so happy we we have with us

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Carrie trent haggard and kathleen Mardon

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who's been on the show several times so

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it's just really great to have these two

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fantastic people now Carrie Trent

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Haggard he is a devoted antique car

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collector judge and restore for the

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better part of 25 years now Carrie is

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the founder writer and host of wheels of

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the past productions

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based in Beaver Falls Pennsylvania he's

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a longtime enthusiast of classic horror

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and UFOs Carrie first learned of the

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Aurora Texas alien crash which we were

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talking about earlier in the show and

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making a wish I lost my my brand-new

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drone he learned about this crash from a

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friend and Texas native John Cochran in

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the summer of 2015 now due to an

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incident which Kerry witnessed during

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his childhood of a flying saucer landing

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in his small hometown no one asked him

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about that the story hit him with such

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passion that he had John spent the next

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several months working day and night to

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form an outline for a screenplay based

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on the fictional hunt for the buried

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extraterrestrial 100 years later from

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there it grew into the novel traveler

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which we were talking about tonight with

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mr. Haggard now of course with this is

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Kathleen is a leading UFO researcher

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author and lecturer or educational

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and the social scientist Sciences has

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shaped her interest in scientific

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she's lectured nationally and

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internationally and is a frequent guest

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on radio shows such as exploring the

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bizarre now many know Kathleen as the

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niece of Betty and Barney Hill whose

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close encounter and UFO abduction in

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1961 stirred worldwide interest and she

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researched the hills controversial case

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leaving no stone unturned to separate

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fact from fiction this led to a new

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passion for the ufological truth and the

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publication of her books with nuclear

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physicist scientist you apologist

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Stanton Friedman that book was captured

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the Betty and Barney Hill UFO experience

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now she also wrote science was wrong and

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fact fiction and flying saucers

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she's also the co-author of the alien

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abduction files with Denise stoner and

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she has expanded her work to include the

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investigation of contact with non-human

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entities the perplexing phenomena

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related to it the history of government

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involvement in the investigation and

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study of UFOs and the cover-up the

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commonalities that experienced your

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share and consciousness studies so

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Kathleen Kerry thank you very much for

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being with us tonight on exploring the

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bizarre it's a pleasure to be back you

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know just like right yeah just like I

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said we could have cut that down to one

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word UFOs III Matt just ass Kerry I

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first heard about the Aurora incident

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one there are some that say yeah it was

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indeed a legitimate UFO crash while

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others say well it's just an urban

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legend that has grown over the years but

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one of the first investigators of this

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case was a gentleman who just passed

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away within the last year by name a

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Hayden Hughes now Hayden Hughes who

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happens to do you know Tim that Hayden

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Hughes who of course was the UFO

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investigator and put out a very sharp

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magazine for its time was also a

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a music manager and booking agent and he

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was Shawn castles manager for a while

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back when him and Shawn was there

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playing folk music they're both from

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Oklahoma but it always struck me as

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being a very of course very unusual case

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and one that involved not only a downed

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craft possibly from another planet but

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we also had here the remains long before

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Roswell of a an alien bit as opposed to

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alien there being and so now Kari have

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it how did you first get hooked on on

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your own UFO incident obviously that

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must have had something to do with it

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well I grew up in a little town in North

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Georgia called commerce it's between

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Atlanta and Greenville South Carolina

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and in 1970 during the great UFO wave of

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around the country and the in Georgia my

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father was a staunch follower of the

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local police department so he had a one

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of those realistic brand scanners beside

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his chair that ran day and night and

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there'd been chatter for weeks probably

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months of low-flying craft in the area

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people getting all frantic and calling

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in it well one night the the little

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piddy squawk box went crazy about low

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flying craft flaming object setting down

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calls from all over coming in with

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police and the clinic they were talking

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about was the same parking lot clinic

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next to the hospital that my mother

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worked at she'd been a nurse since 1955

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so me and her went barreling over there

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jumping up and down saying okay we gotta

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go see about this and so we get in her

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69 green panel station wagon and go

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tearing off over there and there's a

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fire truck and there's two police cars

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they've probably heard the same

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broadcast what we did but there was no

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UFO in the parking lot but what it was

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amazing was there was about a 30-foot

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circle in the corner of the parking lot

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that was like smoldering hot in the ass

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way Wow yep okay I mean I'm impressed

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should I be impressed and all around it

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were drips of molten metal like a silver

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or LED it dripped into the parking lot

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and this is not something that you hear

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about it's something that I saw with my

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own two eyes

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yeah this should be right up there you

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know and well did anybody investigate it

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I mean you're obviously nine years old

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but I don't think you were a member of

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nycap wrapper or the mutual UFO network

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at that time well here's the kicker my

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mom came home from work on Monday this

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word have got around people had been

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going to see it for several days you

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know everybody's going over there

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looking at this big burnt circle in the

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parking lot where obviously something

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that put out a lot of heat sat down and

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took off again and my mom come home all

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flustered on Monday and she said you'll

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never believe what they did and I said

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what she said they repaved the entire so

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now you got to remember in the Bible

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Belt south or on a Saturday night Sunday

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morning nobody's out doing anything well

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this asphalt crew moved in there early

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Sunday morning before the good folks of

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Commerce was out and about the parking

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lot had been completely rias faulted Wow

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did did this get any kind of attention

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in the media I mean it was another local

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radio it was a local newspaper now this

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was the time this was a time

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in Daniels Vail Georgia which is 12

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miles from commerce same year 1973 July

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there was a documented landing whether

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there were witnesses that actually saw

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the craft land in Daniels Vail like I

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said 12 miles away in July of 73 so I

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imagine this I don't know when this was

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but I know that it was in 73 and I would

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imagine it was a month or two before

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before or after this happened and it was

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the same during the same period where

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three Atlanta television news crew

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captured flying saucers flying objects

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on some of their cameras that were that

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were reported on the Atlanta TV news

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well Tim Tim wouldn't you say that

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that's a pretty doggone well-documented

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the case I'd be more than

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research even though it's quite a few

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years ago oh yeah yeah well I mean I

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wish that and who knows I mean you know

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somebody may have gotten a a picture of

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this bird asphalt or maybe even scooped

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up some of that that molten sir was

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molten metal that was surrounding it I

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mean it would be oh my gosh if somebody

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could produce that that would be

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fantastic Ted Ted Ted Phillips would go

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crazy get that yeah especially in those

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days when he was actively I guess he had

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about 400 physical trace up you know

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material from physical traces where

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these things have landed you know there

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and you know there aren't too many cases

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I could think of a handful where these

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things actually land on you know a

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concrete or asphalt usually they land in

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a field there where you you're lucky if

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you could find a little baby bird

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attached of a grass or or or something I

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major case and I think it was Virginia

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and it landed in the

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of the the highway and Block B of the

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road for a few minutes and left some

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impression and the in the ground and

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then of course you have you know the

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cash Landrum a case which we have a

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delve into in our book a UFO hostilities

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and the evil alien agenda that just came

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out a week or so ago now have the same

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sort of thing happened in the cache

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random case where this object came down

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and very close to the the witnesses and

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even burnt them severely I mean in the

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book we have photographs of the

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witnesses after they lost their hair and

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their your hand is all burnt but also

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this this thing burnt the [\h__\h] on the

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highway and and the road crew came out

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and and black black topped it over seems

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to me the case that you were referring

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to earlier with the tops a top shaped

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UFO flying over the road it was a

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similar situation we're not too long

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afterwards the road crew came out and

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replaced the asphalt

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I says as soon as Kerry said that his

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mom came home on a Monday and was

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visibly upset I you know I could have

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told them the rest of the story yeah

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because I've heard I've heard that that

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same scenario time and time again there

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you go

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alright well Tim why don't you wanted to

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continue on with our guests and let's

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let's tell the a deeper into his

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interest in the subject and and get up

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to the to the incident there in that

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Texas where the windmill was a struck by

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the UFO and alien was left behind on the

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the ground I guess I'm pretty bad a

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tradition I don't remember you just told

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a little story there Tim well I just I

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just have to say Kerry that this

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incident I mean that had to have made a

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lasting impression on you I mean you

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know most people the closest they ever

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come to something like that is seen you

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know like maybe you're vague lights of

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the sky but they're you and your dad

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were not too long after it

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landed and seen the physical evidence

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yeah ever since that moment I was a firm

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believer in the enigma of flying saucers

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and extraterrestrials I mean there was

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no doubt that something in the in the

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very brief time that frantic phone calls

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came in to the police and we made it

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over there which is only a couple of

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miles you know you're talking seven a

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and it's it was gone so something

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something landed and took off again in a

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very short time I believed I've been a

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believer and when I and I've you know

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I've heard about Roswell studied about

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Roswell watch documentaries and read

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books on Roswell all my life but I've

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never heard anything about Aurora and

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like I said in 2015 my co-author was and

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into Ty Lee just a good friend

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we were we were walking threat one day

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and he said he said you ever hear about

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a little alien that got killed in Texas

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and buried in the local cemetery and I

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said no and that's really how it started

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he told me about it I watched the

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episode of ancient aliens where they

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highlighted it and told the story and he

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had been I've been documenting some some

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of the tales from his past some of the

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tales from my past to do something with

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to make some kind of screenplay either

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but I didn't know where I was going with

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it and once I started researching the

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Aurora incident I decided to weave it

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all together and make a two part

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screenplay the first part is 1897 which

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I tried to make as historically accurate

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as possible with what little there is to

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go on from the newspaper reports and in

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a conversation I had with Jim Marrs

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couple years ago and and some other you

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know in research that idea in the we

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can't we can't we kept just the four

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exactly what happened you have the date

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and in the time of day and set it up for

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us here all right 6:00 a.m. April 17

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1897 a single alien craft small maybe 15

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17 feet long clipped the edge of a

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fast-moving windmill in Aurora Texas 20

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miles north of Fort Worth and slammed

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into the town's look-the the local towns

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water tower well the water tower

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exploded and the craft shattered to the

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ground this single alien was dead

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chorus it probably woke up the entire

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community they went out they found he em

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they hauled off the ship they buried him

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in the local cemetery that's basically

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the nuts and bolts of the story it was

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reported that a Air Corps officer that

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was or US Army Signal service guy

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claimed that he was from the planet Mars

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will of course back then they thought

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every thing that like that was from the

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planet Mars but they didn't know what

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they did know is they did know that he

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was not from this world what did he look

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like he he looked like your typical gray

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he was small had no hair the large

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protruding eyes bright silver metallic

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suit he was your typical gray probably a

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scout probably a you know a single scout

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but this was 50 years before Roswell so

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I tried to write in and nobody knew

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anything about about all this nobody

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this was a time when only birds flew in

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the sky so what I tried to do in the

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novel and and the screenplay was written

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before the novel but then the novel came

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about because everybody loved the

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screenplay and they said oh you gotta

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expand this into the novel I tried to

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write and get into detail of the

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characters

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from 1897 that would be involved and yes

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what they would think how they would

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react how they would cope with the the

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the knowledge and the realization that

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this was an extraterrestrial from

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another planet from another world that

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crashed into their little bitty tiny

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town of like 219 residents now did they

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give him a proper burial yes he was

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buried in the local cemetery with

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Christian rights as reported in the

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newspaper and as far as most people know

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he is still buried there to this day now

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they've been when UPI picked up the

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story that was long forgotten in 1973

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people went running out there with picks

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and shovels ready to dig him up the

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local Aurora City Council put a stop to

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it

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put armed guards in the cemetery at

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night to keep people away and then of

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course the hoop log finally died down

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but they have took sonar and

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ground-penetrating radar and there is a

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small body buried in this in this it's

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you know it's very been ironed 21 years

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now and so but there's something there's

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a small grave in the spot where he

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reported he was buried there was a there

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was actually a tombstone there that

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somebody uh took off with originally

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right yeah and there's so many theories

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about what happened to the tombstone it

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it was there it was probably put there

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in 1897 when it happened and it was

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still there in 1973 but in 73 when all

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this excitement got to going well we

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carry we need to interrupt you here

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because we have some stolen time of our

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own as we go to our break so stay tuned

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we'll be back in just a few minutes more

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or in the bazaar now back to exploring

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the bazaars with two of the most

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electrifying researchers in the Paranoid

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your hosts Timothy Becca Lee

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hunting Swift's band welcome back to

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exploring the bazaar on Tim Schwarz

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along with Timothy green Beckley and so

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it's time let's bring to Kathleen

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Kathleen Martin into the conversation

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it's Kathleen it's it's great to have

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you with us again it's it's been a while

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since you've been on exploring the

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bazaar well thank you and it's great to

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be back so now the last time that you

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were on we were talking about this

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questionnaire that that you had you had

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put together not by yourself but that

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you would put them together

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concerning abductees and their

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experiences and so has there been any

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results yet of that questionnaire I mean

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it's it's been a few years now I mean

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are you at liberty to to to talk about

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what has happened since that time I can

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I can talk about it but not in great

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detail okay I have been talking about it

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this was is called the MUFON experience

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or questionnaire our survey and we have

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been working on this for three full

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years now dr. Don seed Andheri and

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myself and dr. Don Derry is a retired

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psychology professor and statistician

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from McGill University and he was one of

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three people who worked on the

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development of what is known as the

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American personality inventory the

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American personality inventory is a test

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that's based upon the Minnesota

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multiphasic personality inventory which

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is a psychiatric

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to determine whether or not a person is

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mentally stable but this particular

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inventory which was very well developed

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and researched can determine whether or

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not a person is suffering from UFO

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abduction syndrome now there were three

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categories those who had the syndrome

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those who were fakers or simulators who

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are wannabes and then there was a third

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category and those were the ones who

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were just the control group feed the

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average guy walking down the street who

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didn't know very much about UFOs and we

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had some very interesting results on

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that we had more than 500 people who

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actually completed the experiencer

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survey whose exams we could use he had

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about a hundred and fifty more who

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checked off the wrong questions and it

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looked like they were fakers already or

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they simply didn't complete the exam so

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we had to throw those out we ended up

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with 516 useable surveys and of those a

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hundred and eighty-eight were willing to

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go on to Phase two so they took the

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American personality inventory what we

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did is we compared the results of those

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individuals who were the the people who

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had UFO abduction syndrome the knowledge

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and the emotional makeup of people who

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had been abducted versus those who were

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just survey takers or and those actually

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at the farthest end of the spectrum -

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they were still in the category of being

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experiences of contact of some type

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they weren't in the fakir category or in

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the guy on the street category and so we

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had some pretty interesting results

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because those people who were actually

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the the UFO abductees those who had all

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of the characteristics of actually being

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abducted and having UFO abduction

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syndrome had things very much in common

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that the others did not have in common

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as much those are the generational

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contact a very high level of

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generational contact among that

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particular group they had had close

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encounters and missing time experiences

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and their family members had as well

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they were in the group who said that

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when asked about their experiences if

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you know if they were positive if they

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were negative if these non-human

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entities were kind to them or if they

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were considered them to be evil what

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what were they they were the ones who

544
00:28:39,130 --> 00:28:35,480
said most often that their contact was

545
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:39,140
pretty much businesslike that there were

546
00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:42,320
both positive and negative aspects to it

547
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:46,840
but it was just pretty much businesslike

548
00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:52,880
they said that they underwent changes as

549
00:29:02,049 --> 00:28:58,070
a result of contact and some of those

550
00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:02,059
changes were an increase in spirituality

551
00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:07,220
a very very high percentage became more

552
00:29:14,350 --> 00:29:10,750
spiritual as the result of these contact

553
00:29:18,730 --> 00:29:14,360
experiences about half of them had been

554
00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:18,740
practicing religion before they were

555
00:29:25,419 --> 00:29:22,540
aware that they were having contact but

556
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:25,429
even though many of them continued to

557
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:26,210
practice

558
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:29,360
religious their religious doctrine they

559
00:29:39,580 --> 00:29:33,530
became more spiritual in their beliefs a

560
00:29:42,550 --> 00:29:39,590
very high percentage of them have had

561
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:42,560
paranormal experiences in their homes

562
00:29:49,690 --> 00:29:46,610
such as light orbs that sometimes appear

563
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:49,700
to be intelligently controlled that that

564
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:52,970
float through the air or ever seem to

565
00:30:00,700 --> 00:29:56,570
attempt to interact with them that was

566
00:30:04,330 --> 00:30:00,710
the most common paranormal experience

567
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:04,340
that they had in their homes most of

568
00:30:14,260 --> 00:30:10,640
them said are 95 percent said that they

569
00:30:18,340 --> 00:30:14,270
felt that these non-human entities that

570
00:30:21,670 --> 00:30:18,350
they interacted with could feel their

571
00:30:26,970 --> 00:30:21,680
emotions they could sense their emotions

572
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:26,980
and 100 percent of these of these

573
00:30:34,060 --> 00:30:30,170
abductees stated that they themselves

574
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:34,070
are empathic so they can feel other

575
00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:38,210
people's emotions about half of them

576
00:30:45,610 --> 00:30:41,870
said that they had been healed from a

577
00:30:48,910 --> 00:30:45,620
disease and a variety of different

578
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:48,920
diseases some cancer some heart disease

579
00:30:55,180 --> 00:30:51,290
but they said that these non-human

580
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:55,190
entities had actually healed them

581
00:31:02,770 --> 00:30:59,120
so I think that that is very important

582
00:31:09,450 --> 00:31:02,780
because it pretty much runs the gamut of

583
00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:09,460
experience when you talk to the 500

584
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:13,040
people who are at one end who are having

585
00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:16,190
highly negative experiences who are

586
00:31:23,410 --> 00:31:18,950
being harmed who feel that they're

587
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:23,420
interacting with evil entities and at

588
00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:25,730
the other end of the spectrum you have

589
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:29,870
people who are so joyful that they're

590
00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:32,090
having these experiences that they're

591
00:31:38,899 --> 00:31:35,870
wonderful that they're interacting they

592
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:38,909
have conscious interaction

593
00:31:45,919 --> 00:31:42,720
with these entities and so you can see

594
00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:45,929
there's a very wide spectrum there but

595
00:31:56,139 --> 00:31:49,940
those in the center who are the actual

596
00:32:00,349 --> 00:31:56,149
abductees who have this syndrome had

597
00:32:04,339 --> 00:32:00,359
answers that were very very much alike

598
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:04,349
and we found that incredibly interesting

599
00:32:11,629 --> 00:32:08,340
and we also we asked open-ended

600
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:11,639
questions and in terms of open-ended

601
00:32:20,509 --> 00:32:17,340
questions we asked for example have you

602
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,519
been given any information when you were

603
00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:23,039
on this craft by these non-human

604
00:32:32,060 --> 00:32:27,720
entities and many of them stated that

605
00:32:35,089 --> 00:32:32,070
these entities had voiced concern over

606
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:35,099
our use of nuclear weapons that they

607
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:38,460
said that and this dates all the way

608
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:42,539
back to the mid 1950s to a woman from

609
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:45,899
Maine from Elliott Maine named Nick

610
00:32:52,369 --> 00:32:48,690
Francis Swan who was worth oh yes very

611
00:32:54,859 --> 00:32:52,379
very famous a case where she actually

612
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:54,869
did the automatic writing and the drew

613
00:32:59,529 --> 00:32:57,450
people in a circle and they had you know

614
00:33:02,359 --> 00:32:59,539
sightings and experiences of their own

615
00:33:05,649 --> 00:33:02,369
including a what was it a navy

616
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:05,659
intelligence officer a commander well

617
00:33:12,979 --> 00:33:09,809
there was Admiral Herbert Knowles who

618
00:33:15,409 --> 00:33:12,989
was lived in the same town and Admiral

619
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:15,419
Knowles had just retired at that time

620
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:18,179
and she took a thick packet of

621
00:33:26,869 --> 00:33:23,070
information to him and after she began

622
00:33:33,349 --> 00:33:26,879
to have these communication experiences

623
00:33:36,729 --> 00:33:33,359
and he read them and he said that the

624
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:36,739
level of knowledge scientific knowledge

625
00:33:46,219 --> 00:33:40,200
that was in those documents would have

626
00:33:48,739 --> 00:33:46,229
been impossible for her to have and he

627
00:33:51,499 --> 00:33:48,749
was so impressed by this packet that he

628
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:51,509
sent it to Washington with a letter to

629
00:33:54,290 --> 00:33:52,050
Dwight

630
00:33:57,470 --> 00:33:54,300
Eisenhower it went to the Office of

631
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:57,480
Naval Research it went to the Office of

632
00:34:03,860 --> 00:33:59,700
Naval Intelligence it went to the Air

633
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:03,870
Force it went to the CIA and there was a

634
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:07,110
group of top brass who actually went up

635
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:10,800
to Elliot main and interviewed Francis

636
00:34:17,870 --> 00:34:13,530
Swan and attempted one of them actually

637
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:17,880
attempted to use her technique to learn

638
00:34:25,210 --> 00:34:21,210
to communicate with these nonhumans the

639
00:34:30,650 --> 00:34:25,220
way that she did and I believe it was in

640
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:30,660
1959 in Washington DC he was there he

641
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:33,330
had had a couple of failed attempts but

642
00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:36,570
he had a group of other intelligence

643
00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:39,990
officers in the room with him and he

644
00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:43,710
asked for a craft to appear they all

645
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:45,960
went to the window and they looked out

646
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:49,110
and there was a UFO they called

647
00:34:54,890 --> 00:34:52,050
Washington National Airport and said

648
00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:54,900
what do you see on your radar and what

649
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:57,510
the what the radar controller at

650
00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:01,500
Washington National Airport said is all

651
00:35:09,380 --> 00:35:05,220
of the metro magnetic activity in that

652
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:09,390
section of the sky is blocked so they

653
00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:11,730
could see it but they couldn't see it on

654
00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:15,270
radar there there was somebody else who

655
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:17,400
was involved in all of this too and that

656
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,730
was will Burt Smith that's in fact

657
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:22,920
that's where I remember the case from

658
00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:25,260
because we wrote it up do you have a lot

659
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:26,760
more detail but we wrote it up in our

660
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:29,460
book project magnet which just came out

661
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:31,530
a couple of months ago we got some

662
00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:34,350
documents on it in fact I had done of

663
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:37,700
course bonded with the will Burt Smith

664
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:40,260
many many you know years ago when they

665
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:42,570
had they had quite a file of material

666
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:45,690
after he passed away but then that

667
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:47,370
people tried to come in and confiscate

668
00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:49,050
it I mean there were even some talk of

669
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,990
some rust on there agents and CIA and in

670
00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:53,520
all they wanted to get their hands on

671
00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:55,830
this he had actually set up a project

672
00:36:01,070 --> 00:35:57,900
with the Canadian government back in the

673
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:01,080
early 1950s and they had tracked they

674
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:04,920
had tracked the UFO coming in and thus

675
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:05,890
the name project

676
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:07,630
magnet that was the the name of the the

677
00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:10,510
project that he did all of his research

678
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:14,080
under in fact do you know to it Kathleen

679
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:17,400
that he actually had done his own survey

680
00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:20,050
back in oh I guess this would have been

681
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:22,900
the the nineteen late 1950s and early

682
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:25,750
1960s he had a guru Burt Smith had a

683
00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:28,890
group of seventy contactees and

684
00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:31,030
questionnaires made up and he would ask

685
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:33,220
them questions and compare the

686
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,050
information that they would were

687
00:36:42,030 --> 00:36:38,160
receiving from their individual sources

688
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:42,040
yes I'm aware of this and he was the

689
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:45,370
head of project second story and what he

690
00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:47,940
was doing as part of second story is

691
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:50,590
that he was interviewing these

692
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:52,690
contactees who are receiving information

693
00:37:02,910 --> 00:36:59,280
and Francis Swan wasn't was working

694
00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:02,920
confidentially and her identity was not

695
00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:05,260
known to anyone else she was not

696
00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:07,540
communicating with anyone else so she

697
00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:10,870
was the primary subject but he was

698
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:13,270
looking at others some of them were

699
00:37:18,990 --> 00:37:16,210
hoaxers he found out some of them were

700
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:19,000
not giving accurate information but he

701
00:37:24,330 --> 00:37:22,030
did find that some of them did give

702
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:24,340
accurate information that was similar to

703
00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:27,130
what Francis Wan was giving and they

704
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:29,500
were actually looking for scientific

705
00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:33,750
evidence that any of this was real and

706
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:37,230
one thing that these non-human entities

707
00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:41,170
said is that they were concerned about

708
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:43,360
the collapsing of the Earth's magnetic

709
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:46,330
field and that they had been working in

710
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:50,800
a certain part of the world to attempt

711
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:54,900
to repair the Earth's magnetic field and

712
00:38:02,250 --> 00:37:58,240
Wilbert Smith was able to find a

713
00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:02,260
scientific article that validated that

714
00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:05,950
statement I was not able to find that

715
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:11,950
article but I do have the correspondence

716
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,070
between Admiral Knowles and Wilbert

717
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:18,160
Smith when I out captured the Betty and

718
00:38:23,069 --> 00:38:19,599
Barney Hill UFO works

719
00:38:25,019 --> 00:38:23,079
variance I had looked for Wilbert

720
00:38:28,410 --> 00:38:25,029
Smith's family

721
00:38:31,709 --> 00:38:28,420
I'm not Wilbert Admiral Knowles's family

722
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:31,719
in Maine I wasn't able to find them but

723
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:34,209
I did write what I knew about this

724
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:37,599
project because my aunt and uncle had

725
00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:41,170
been invited to to meet with Admiral

726
00:38:47,069 --> 00:38:44,140
nulls and and a group of Canadian

727
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,079
scientists and met with them many times

728
00:38:54,439 --> 00:38:49,119
in fact after they had their own

729
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,449
experience and so Admiral Knowles's

730
00:38:58,890 --> 00:38:55,920
granddaughter

731
00:39:01,709 --> 00:38:58,900
finally found me when I was speaking at

732
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:01,719
a conference and brought me a packet of

733
00:39:09,209 --> 00:39:06,400
information which it was a wealth of

734
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:09,219
knowledge in fact I've written about it

735
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,170
in a book that's going to be published

736
00:39:15,469 --> 00:39:13,839
by the Edgar Mitchell foundation for

737
00:39:19,949 --> 00:39:15,479
research into extraterrestrial

738
00:39:22,589 --> 00:39:19,959
encounters and I'm not when it wished

739
00:39:25,979 --> 00:39:22,599
but it I have written a chapter for that

740
00:39:27,689 --> 00:39:25,989
book and that's good that's good news

741
00:39:31,529 --> 00:39:27,699
because that that's certainly one of the

742
00:39:34,709 --> 00:39:31,539
the four most foremost incidents that

743
00:39:37,949 --> 00:39:34,719
happened during that period but now I

744
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:37,959
want to ask you about your you're an now

745
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:40,839
how did she stand on all of this I mean

746
00:39:47,699 --> 00:39:44,670
she didn't claim that she had any great

747
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,709
like a knowledge imparted to her did she

748
00:39:53,309 --> 00:39:50,079
I mean did she ever claim that she was

749
00:39:55,219 --> 00:39:53,319
receiving information from these beings

750
00:39:59,009 --> 00:39:55,229
or that they ever communicated with her

751
00:40:02,160 --> 00:39:59,019
no she had no memory of communication

752
00:40:04,529 --> 00:40:02,170
with these nonhumans except for when

753
00:40:07,499 --> 00:40:04,539
they abducted her and what she

754
00:40:09,959 --> 00:40:07,509
remembered under hypnosis with dr.

755
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,969
Benjamin Simon and that was that they

756
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:12,400
kept reassuring her that they were not

757
00:40:18,479 --> 00:40:15,130
going to harm her they had to just do a

758
00:40:21,299 --> 00:40:18,489
few simple tests that she and my uncle

759
00:40:22,949 --> 00:40:21,309
would be on their way home that they

760
00:40:27,630 --> 00:40:22,959
were going to do this as quickly as

761
00:40:30,359 --> 00:40:27,640
possible and that and they even

762
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:30,369
apologized in a sense at the end for

763
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:33,010
frightening them so badly

764
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:34,990
so that was about the extent of the

765
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:38,650
communication that my aunt received but

766
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:43,510
somehow after that experience it seemed

767
00:40:49,770 --> 00:40:46,140
that there were craft that would be

768
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:49,780
interested in her so perhaps she had an

769
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:53,920
implant because sometimes when she was

770
00:41:01,230 --> 00:40:56,710
in a location a craft would show up and

771
00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:01,240
she actually did an experiment with a

772
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:04,980
team of scientists back in the

773
00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:10,960
mid-nineteen we've seen it was 1967 that

774
00:41:17,970 --> 00:41:14,380
they did this they called it a psycho

775
00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:17,980
physics experiment where Betty would go

776
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:21,030
onto her back porch and telepathically

777
00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:24,760
send messages that the scientists had

778
00:41:33,870 --> 00:41:28,120
written down that she was to send to try

779
00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:33,880
to bring a UFO into a certain location

780
00:41:40,350 --> 00:41:36,940
so that these scientists could go out

781
00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:40,360
and they could look at that location to

782
00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:42,790
see if they could actually see a craft

783
00:41:52,590 --> 00:41:48,280
and did yes sometimes they did this this

784
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,600
was the near the railroad trestle there

785
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:54,400
was yeah part of it was near the

786
00:42:00,450 --> 00:41:57,130
railroad tracks the science - of these

787
00:42:02,730 --> 00:42:00,460
scientists were from New York and one of

788
00:42:06,270 --> 00:42:02,740
them had moved south after that and the

789
00:42:09,450 --> 00:42:06,280
experiments continued and she was

790
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:09,460
attempting to bring a craft in to land

791
00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:12,880
on my grandparents farm in Kingston New

792
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:19,870
Hampshire and in 1966 February of 1966

793
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:23,650
one actually did land on my grandparents

794
00:42:30,210 --> 00:42:27,550
farm it awakened my grandmother if she

795
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:30,220
was asleep she she looked out her

796
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:31,270
bedroom window

797
00:42:36,540 --> 00:42:33,490
she saw it coming in there was a

798
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:36,550
commercial pilot who lived on our street

799
00:42:43,050 --> 00:42:39,250
and he was driving home at that time of

800
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:43,060
night and he saw the craft as well there

801
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,920
was physical trace evidence on the

802
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:45,680
ground

803
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:49,520
as well so I do believe that Betty did

804
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:53,450
have some success with all of that but

805
00:43:00,460 --> 00:42:56,690
she also became a huge target for

806
00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:00,470
debunkers yes my uncle died because of

807
00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:03,190
these what they thought were crazy

808
00:43:09,850 --> 00:43:08,180
experiments that she was conducting well

809
00:43:13,570 --> 00:43:09,860
you know you know what I wanted to ask

810
00:43:15,790 --> 00:43:13,580
you two now one of my favorite UFO the

811
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:15,800
movies it seems to be very realistic is

812
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:18,110
the one that the sub Parsons and James

813
00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:21,110
Earl Jones played there Betty and Barney

814
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:25,220
had she seen that and who's seen it

815
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:26,920
Betty

816
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:30,050
the the movie that the TV had

817
00:43:36,490 --> 00:43:32,330
made-for-tv movie yes the movie was made

818
00:43:42,910 --> 00:43:36,500
in 1975 yes buddy betty was a consultant

819
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:42,920
on the mall and and and had met James

820
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:45,110
Earl Jones and Estelle Parsons I believe

821
00:43:54,220 --> 00:43:49,520
and and yes she did see the movie and

822
00:43:57,070 --> 00:43:54,230
she was a consultant as well yeah did

823
00:44:00,400 --> 00:43:57,080
she think it was pretty accurate well

824
00:44:02,740 --> 00:44:00,410
she was disappointed in part of it the

825
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:02,750
her disappointment came because the

826
00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:05,330
movie gave the impression that she and

827
00:44:13,210 --> 00:44:09,230
Barney recalled almost nothing about the

828
00:44:14,050 --> 00:44:13,220
craft when in fact they they had a close

829
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:14,060
encounter

830
00:44:18,820 --> 00:44:16,460
Barney even had conscious recall of

831
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:18,830
observing these non-human entities

832
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:22,010
looking down at him and this was over

833
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:25,730
quite about an hour where this craft

834
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:28,670
came in closer and closer that they

835
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:31,370
observed it so the movie gave the

836
00:44:36,910 --> 00:44:33,710
impression that it was more of a light

837
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:36,920
in the sky and that's all there was and

838
00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:38,990
then you know they were bothered by the

839
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:42,980
light but it was far more than that but

840
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:46,130
she was very impressed with James Earl

841
00:44:49,630 --> 00:44:46,880
Jones

842
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:49,640
oh he's tremendous he was a fantastic

843
00:44:58,940 --> 00:44:55,970
actor yeah absolutely but now he Barty

844
00:45:02,329 --> 00:44:58,950
was was more frightened than Betty

845
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:02,339
he have a revolver with him yes it was

846
00:45:08,359 --> 00:45:05,520
actually Betty's revolver and they did

847
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:08,369
have it they they actually took it

848
00:45:14,380 --> 00:45:11,339
Bonnie took it because when he and his

849
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:14,390
first wife were on a trip to Detroit

850
00:45:19,339 --> 00:45:17,490
they ended up spending one night he

851
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,349
threw very tired driving and they

852
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:21,839
stopped by the side of the road and he

853
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:25,140
was very very worried that criminals

854
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:27,690
might come along and he thought that he

855
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:30,630
would be safer with a gun particularly

856
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:34,890
because here is 1961 interracial couple

857
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:37,859
and they were going on to Canada Barney

858
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:42,750
had no idea what the racial climate was

859
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:45,240
up in Canada which it was money better

860
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:47,160
than it was in the United States but he

861
00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:50,940
didn't know that he also made this a

862
00:45:57,380 --> 00:45:54,329
surprise trip for Betty so they had only

863
00:45:59,540 --> 00:45:57,390
the cash that they had in the house she

864
00:46:03,970 --> 00:45:59,550
didn't have time to go to the bank to

865
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:03,980
get some extra money and it was the

866
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:09,480
white team's then I guess any credit

867
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:11,579
cards would have been gasoline credit

868
00:46:16,490 --> 00:46:14,460
cards I guess yeah anyway he thought

869
00:46:20,059 --> 00:46:16,500
maybe they would have to spend the night

870
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:20,069
beside the road and so he took that gun

871
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,819
for that reason and he took the gun and

872
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:26,160
put it into his pocket when the craft

873
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:28,770
was hovering a hundred feet above their

874
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:32,760
car he stepped out of that car and he he

875
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:35,010
used the binoculars to look up at the

876
00:46:40,990 --> 00:46:38,250
craft and when he was doing it he the

877
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:41,000
craft then shifted to an adjacent field

878
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:45,900
to the east and he walked toward the

879
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:49,050
craft and that is when he saw these

880
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,040
non-human entities looking down at him

881
00:46:58,339 --> 00:46:56,640
and he became terribly frightened he

882
00:47:02,180 --> 00:46:58,349
said that he felt he was going to be

883
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:02,190
captured like a bug in a net he knew

884
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:04,920
that they had a plan for him when all

885
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:08,579
but one moved away from this I'm gonna

886
00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:09,930
have to interrupt you here because we

887
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:10,350
have

888
00:47:21,090 --> 00:47:13,380
go to our top of the hour break you back

889
00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:25,950
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890
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:30,240
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891
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:32,910
ride into the world of the paranormal

892
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:36,220
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893
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:40,500
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

894
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,619
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895
00:47:49,859 --> 00:47:46,000
cryptozoology waters as well as other

896
00:47:54,990 --> 00:47:49,869
dimensions it's time to take back the

897
00:47:58,079 --> 00:47:55,000
night now your electrifying hosts of

898
00:48:04,319 --> 00:47:58,089
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

899
00:48:06,270 --> 00:48:04,329
team sports alright welcome back to the

900
00:48:10,170 --> 00:48:06,280
second hour of exploring the bizarre I'm

901
00:48:13,049 --> 00:48:10,180
Tim Schwarz tonight we've got just a

902
00:48:15,630 --> 00:48:13,059
fantastic UFO related program I know

903
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:15,640
UFOs that's that's our favorite subject

904
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:18,010
and we have carried Trent Haggard and

905
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:20,950
Kathleen Mardon and so I want to bring

906
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:25,599
Carey back into the conversation when we

907
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:29,099
had to go to our previous break Carrie

908
00:48:36,210 --> 00:48:33,730
we were talking about the tombstone that

909
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:36,220
had been you know allegedly at the

910
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:39,000
Aurora Cemetery now I I mean I remember

911
00:48:47,370 --> 00:48:43,990
when in your in 1973 when all this came

912
00:48:48,690 --> 00:48:47,380
to light and there had I seem to

913
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:48,700
remember that there was an actual

914
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:51,640
picture you know like maybe an AP a

915
00:48:57,630 --> 00:48:55,599
photo of this tombstone rather crudely

916
00:48:59,819 --> 00:48:57,640
made but then shortly thereafter it

917
00:49:02,010 --> 00:48:59,829
disappeared you know people were blaming

918
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:02,020
you know sightseers or like that but I

919
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:03,849
I've often wondered whether or not the

920
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:07,569
town of Aurora themselves just took it

921
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:11,290
away to try to you know who's like you

922
00:49:15,450 --> 00:49:12,730
said you know there there were a lot of

923
00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:15,460
people going there with shovels and

924
00:49:21,329 --> 00:49:18,760
pickaxes trying to dig this thing up and

925
00:49:22,789 --> 00:49:21,339
if they didn't know where to dig well

926
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:22,799
all the better

927
00:49:32,940 --> 00:49:26,490
yeah that's that's one of the theories

928
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:32,950
the the the it disappeared in 73 in the

929
00:49:39,630 --> 00:49:37,599
middle of the night so one of the

930
00:49:41,730 --> 00:49:39,640
theories is that the Aurora

931
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:41,740
people the City Council people said okay

932
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:43,510
we've got to get rid of this thing

933
00:49:49,110 --> 00:49:46,000
another is that somebody stole it just

934
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:49,120
to have just to have a souvenir but it's

935
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,260
never been found

936
00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:52,720
interesting note here in the last few

937
00:50:00,320 --> 00:49:56,590
months a Dallas I think he's a Dallas or

938
00:50:04,410 --> 00:50:00,330
Fort Worth lawyer as each issued a

939
00:50:07,710 --> 00:50:04,420
thousand dollar reward if somebody it

940
00:50:12,750 --> 00:50:07,720
with information to its whereabouts for

941
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:12,760
to to bring it back or return it no

942
00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:15,850
questions asked what was what was there

943
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:19,590
something in scripted on the under here

944
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:23,700
tombstone yeah Harry yeah it had a

945
00:50:35,310 --> 00:50:28,240
sketch of a cigar-shaped craft with

946
00:50:37,470 --> 00:50:35,320
three windows well now why okay so it

947
00:50:39,930 --> 00:50:37,480
seems like there this is substantial

948
00:50:42,510 --> 00:50:39,940
amount of evidence at this case took

949
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:42,520
place but yet there are some out there

950
00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:44,710
who are very skeptical and say that the

951
00:50:51,810 --> 00:50:49,030
whole thing is a is nothing but a urban

952
00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:51,820
legend when was made up by the newspaper

953
00:50:58,170 --> 00:50:55,780
at the time right well you know Aurora

954
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,180
had had a tough time wasn't too long

955
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:00,640
after the Civil War they'd had a boll

956
00:51:06,540 --> 00:51:03,490
weevil infestation that wiped out most

957
00:51:08,430 --> 00:51:06,550
of their crops the railroad had skirted

958
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:08,440
them for another town which they were

959
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:11,260
really counting on to bring bring people

960
00:51:20,090 --> 00:51:15,420
in and tourists and revenue and money

961
00:51:23,570 --> 00:51:20,100
they had a fire burnt down half a town

962
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:23,580
they'd had an outbreak of spotted fever

963
00:51:30,930 --> 00:51:26,950
one of the one of the theories is that

964
00:51:34,770 --> 00:51:30,940
all this was made up to save the dying

965
00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:34,780
town but the truth is in 1897

966
00:51:42,050 --> 00:51:37,630
how could a UFO incident save a dying

967
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:42,060
town it's not it's not logical because

968
00:51:49,410 --> 00:51:45,970
and over the counter we took how big of

969
00:51:51,780 --> 00:51:49,420
a town are we talking about 1897 it was

970
00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:51,790
like two three hundred people and so

971
00:51:56,550 --> 00:51:53,260
nobody's gonna go rushing

972
00:52:00,060 --> 00:51:56,560
over there in 1897 but to to investigate

973
00:52:02,420 --> 00:52:00,070
this they were right no parades once a

974
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:02,430
year no Museum in town

975
00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:08,110
no no need for no excuse whatsoever to

976
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:10,420
to make up a story like this to try to

977
00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:15,040
save the town it it wasn't feasible but

978
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:18,220
I think that's just one more excuse to

979
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:20,370
dismiss the story

980
00:52:27,630 --> 00:52:24,610
well I'm Plus that that whole bring in

981
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:27,640
the tourist type of scenario that's

982
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:30,640
really more of a modern construct like

983
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:32,050
you said I mean you know here we are at

984
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:36,640
the the end of the 19th century and you

985
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:41,410
know unless they actually had the body

986
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,290
you know pickled and hung up in the

987
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:46,720
local tavern you know it would have done

988
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:47,490
him much good

989
00:52:54,990 --> 00:52:51,970
no the the the the idea of making up

990
00:52:56,850 --> 00:52:55,000
that to try to help their revenue and

991
00:53:06,330 --> 00:52:56,860
makes no sense mm-hmm

992
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:06,340
now 1897 there had been a airship flap

993
00:53:12,570 --> 00:53:09,610
going you know taking place across the

994
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:12,580
country so this incident did in a did

995
00:53:20,580 --> 00:53:16,450
not occur in a vacuum no there had been

996
00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:20,590
hundreds and hundreds of sightings Civil

997
00:53:26,850 --> 00:53:23,230
War soldiers had signed affidavits

998
00:53:30,330 --> 00:53:26,860
saying that they saw flying craft in the

999
00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:30,340
air there were reports all throughout

1000
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:34,470
the Midwest from ate them 1860s 1870s

1001
00:53:51,450 --> 00:53:41,790
1880s one from one from let's see here

1002
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:51,460
one from September 1864 says that here

1003
00:54:00,500 --> 00:53:56,880
it is a skyrocket streak through the sky

1004
00:54:03,570 --> 00:54:00,510
above the Great Falls upper Missouri

1005
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:03,580
which moments later crashed with a

1006
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:05,890
monstrous explosion that shook the

1007
00:54:10,349 --> 00:54:06,880
entire four

1008
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:10,359
Forest and emanated such heat on impact

1009
00:54:18,299 --> 00:54:16,210
that it turned the ground to glass that

1010
00:54:22,109 --> 00:54:18,309
was reported in the cincinnati

1011
00:54:23,849 --> 00:54:22,119
commercial September 1864 so I mean

1012
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:23,859
there was there's hundreds and hundreds

1013
00:54:34,259 --> 00:54:29,730
of reports of strange flying craft

1014
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:34,269
airships if you will it's not like there

1015
00:54:41,579 --> 00:54:37,839
was one airship hovering over for three

1016
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:41,589
years this was multiple multiple craft

1017
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:44,500
that had been sighted and reported but

1018
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:46,450
there's lots of documentation of UFOs

1019
00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:52,480
Neal west so the original story ran by

1020
00:54:59,700 --> 00:54:55,990
the local newspaper after the crash was

1021
00:55:02,910 --> 00:54:59,710
this picked up and and carried by the

1022
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:02,920
wire services or was it pretty much

1023
00:55:09,299 --> 00:55:06,910
contained to that location it was in the

1024
00:55:12,210 --> 00:55:09,309
Dallas and the Fort Worth newspaper on

1025
00:55:14,490 --> 00:55:12,220
April 19th two days after the crash I

1026
00:55:19,799 --> 00:55:14,500
mean this is a time when the telegraph

1027
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:19,809
office was the only way to to do wire

1028
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,559
yep

1029
00:55:24,990 --> 00:55:22,960
I don't think it was that it was no

1030
00:55:27,660 --> 00:55:25,000
Associated Press I don't think back at

1031
00:55:29,339 --> 00:55:27,670
those days doubt no and you're talking

1032
00:55:31,799 --> 00:55:29,349
about a time when the fastest mode of

1033
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:31,809
transportation was the railroad train

1034
00:55:37,259 --> 00:55:33,900
that collected along at 40 miles an hour

1035
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,269
this story went moved very slowly and

1036
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:39,599
probably didn't go anywhere beyond

1037
00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:45,130
Dallas and Fort Worth so how then was

1038
00:55:50,609 --> 00:55:48,190
the story milking it because I think it

1039
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:50,619
then the the story basically then just

1040
00:55:54,299 --> 00:55:52,690
this died and disappeared everyone had

1041
00:55:57,140 --> 00:55:54,309
forgotten about it except for the locals

1042
00:56:01,890 --> 00:55:57,150
how was it rediscovered again

1043
00:56:04,740 --> 00:56:01,900
well now that's again bad I don't know

1044
00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:04,750
what I do know is that it was

1045
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:09,430
investigated in 1965 on a small scale

1046
00:56:17,930 --> 00:56:12,910
and a UPI like I said got a hold with a

1047
00:56:20,670 --> 00:56:17,940
story in 1973 and did big front page

1048
00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:20,680
articles of a extraterrestrials

1049
00:56:26,970 --> 00:56:23,800
drill crashed in the turn of the century

1050
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:26,980
and was buried in the local Aurora Texas

1051
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:30,609
cemetery so that's that's what got all

1052
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:33,010
the hoopla going in but yeah the story

1053
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,260
had basically been forgotten and only

1054
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:38,079
some real did a few dedicated real UFO

1055
00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:40,690
adjusts knew about it and they had

1056
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:43,420
actually done a small study on it 1965

1057
00:56:50,370 --> 00:56:47,140
but it didn't really get attention again

1058
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:50,380
until 73 yeah that would probably have

1059
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:52,569
been the early investigation by Hayden a

1060
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:55,650
huge Hughes I think he wrote a young

1061
00:57:02,460 --> 00:56:59,920
well he had this a little magazine and

1062
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:02,470
that he put out because I used to write

1063
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:05,710
for it and he also wrote up a paperback

1064
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:08,410
book with Brad stager the name of which

1065
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:10,329
escapes me and I'm pretty sure that it

1066
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:13,359
was in there at the yet time now I I

1067
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:16,450
remember seeing on UFO Hunters on the

1068
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:17,200
History Channel

1069
00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:20,290
wasn't there a story attached to this

1070
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:23,020
that the alien had ended up where they

1071
00:57:28,220 --> 00:57:24,930
had buried him in the well or something

1072
00:57:31,770 --> 00:57:28,230
no the craft was dumped in a well or

1073
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,780
hapless okay yeah but the remains of the

1074
00:57:39,299 --> 00:57:33,760
craft were dumped in an abandoned whale

1075
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,309
and it it poisoned the well so they they

1076
00:57:43,799 --> 00:57:41,520
I think they got it out of there in like

1077
00:57:45,930 --> 00:57:43,809
1957 and I don't know what they did with

1078
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:45,940
it from there but the people that had

1079
00:57:52,410 --> 00:57:48,329
drank out of that whale during the time

1080
00:57:55,049 --> 00:57:52,420
developed some horrible arthritis like

1081
00:57:57,420 --> 00:57:55,059
develop debilitating arthritis form yes

1082
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,430
yes I remember seeing I remember seeing

1083
00:58:02,460 --> 00:57:59,920
photographs of at least wasn't a

1084
00:58:04,349 --> 00:58:02,470
gentleman who was stricken with the

1085
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:04,359
arthritis in his hands and all because

1086
00:58:10,010 --> 00:58:07,119
of supposedly because of drinking the in

1087
00:58:11,970 --> 00:58:10,020
the water now okay you you would you

1088
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:11,980
investigated this case and you you've

1089
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:16,030
written a written it up in the novelized

1090
00:58:22,620 --> 00:58:19,599
the form has anyone approached you

1091
00:58:25,289 --> 00:58:22,630
either to tell you to maybe you you

1092
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,299
should leave well enough alone or on the

1093
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,000
other hand tell you that they might have

1094
00:58:34,289 --> 00:58:30,480
some additional information

1095
00:58:36,329 --> 00:58:34,299
well no find this prayer so

1096
00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:36,339
over in England published them all oh

1097
00:58:43,229 --> 00:58:39,630
yes make that back yep Philip mental

1098
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:43,239
philip mantofa sh the novel for me back

1099
00:58:49,529 --> 00:58:45,249
a couple of months ago and i've done

1100
00:58:52,709 --> 00:58:49,539
probably a dozen radio shows and we've

1101
00:58:54,719 --> 00:58:52,719
got some pretty good press and done you

1102
00:58:57,419 --> 00:58:54,729
know several interviews i have a couple

1103
00:58:59,479 --> 00:58:57,429
of i have a couple of MUFON speaking

1104
00:59:02,999 --> 00:58:59,489
events lined up I'm doing a book signing

1105
00:59:07,019 --> 00:59:03,009
at the big conference in New Jersey in

1106
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,029
July and no nobody's nobody's approached

1107
00:59:11,459 --> 00:59:09,119
me to tell me anything like that

1108
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:11,469
nobody's contacted me and said you know

1109
00:59:15,209 --> 00:59:12,729
you need to stop talking about there's

1110
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,219
nothing like that I did have one very

1111
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:17,920
interesting conversation with a guy

1112
00:59:23,969 --> 00:59:20,529
through Facebook he found me on there

1113
00:59:26,249 --> 00:59:23,979
and and saying we we correspondent a

1114
00:59:29,370 --> 00:59:26,259
couple of times he said that his

1115
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:29,380
great-grandfather buried the alien and

1116
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:32,529
there wasn't one there was - I don't

1117
00:59:37,529 --> 00:59:35,170
ever never heard that story before

1118
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:37,539
city's great said his great grandmother

1119
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:41,880
or his grandmother told him the story in

1120
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:48,880
1972 that a craft about the size of a

1121
00:59:55,199 --> 00:59:52,569
small car crashed and into the water

1122
00:59:58,469 --> 00:59:55,209
tower and windmill and that they there

1123
00:59:59,969 --> 00:59:58,479
was two aliens and they were buried one

1124
01:00:01,049 --> 00:59:59,979
was buried and he didn't know what

1125
01:00:02,969 --> 01:00:01,059
happened to the other one because he's

1126
01:00:05,819 --> 01:00:02,979
uncle or Grammy our great-grandfather

1127
01:00:08,609 --> 01:00:05,829
buried the one now you know I don't know

1128
01:00:12,929 --> 01:00:08,619
but he was from Fort Worth and he said

1129
01:00:16,739 --> 01:00:12,939
that he you know his his kin folks was

1130
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:16,749
from Aurora so you know me don't you

1131
01:00:21,449 --> 01:00:19,089
who knows if it's true it's not true or

1132
01:00:23,609 --> 01:00:21,459
whatever but I never ever heard that

1133
01:00:23,969 --> 01:00:23,619
they were two before I'd always heard it

1134
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:23,979
before

1135
01:00:28,919 --> 01:00:26,529
well now there was i I remember there

1136
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:28,929
were some witnesses that were very

1137
01:00:35,249 --> 01:00:31,569
elderly but they were still with us at

1138
01:00:39,449 --> 01:00:35,259
the time who were interviewed for one of

1139
01:00:40,709 --> 01:00:39,459
these TV shows like unsolved mysteries

1140
01:00:46,499 --> 01:00:40,719
or something I don't remember exactly

1141
01:00:47,859 --> 01:00:46,509
which one yes there was a one woman she

1142
01:00:52,089 --> 01:00:47,869
claimed that the whole

1143
01:00:55,210 --> 01:00:52,099
was a hoax but she never saw anything

1144
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,220
there was an another guy on there that

1145
01:00:59,559 --> 01:00:57,680
claimed that yep it was real that he was

1146
01:01:02,200 --> 01:00:59,569
a little boy at the time that his father

1147
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,210
went into town and came back and told

1148
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:04,160
him all about it so there's pieces of it

1149
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:07,119
everywhere and the little bitty guy was

1150
01:01:13,989 --> 01:01:11,089
you know that he saw the little guy my

1151
01:01:16,690 --> 01:01:13,999
thing is my thinking is and this was

1152
01:01:19,210 --> 01:01:16,700
never published but I and this is the

1153
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,220
way I wrote it in my novel is you know

1154
01:01:23,980 --> 01:01:21,440
outlaws and famous people at the time

1155
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:23,990
they built coffins for I'm going to put

1156
01:01:27,130 --> 01:01:24,890
him in it and they put him on the

1157
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,140
boardwalk and took pictures of I just

1158
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:29,839
wonder if they put this little guy on

1159
01:01:34,749 --> 01:01:32,930
display for a day before they bury were

1160
01:01:36,579 --> 01:01:34,759
people that did hear about it from the

1161
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:36,589
area could come in and take a look in

1162
01:01:42,819 --> 01:01:39,710
from the way from the way they it talked

1163
01:01:45,249 --> 01:01:42,829
of this this this boy talked of his

1164
01:01:47,380 --> 01:01:45,259
father going into town there was a lot

1165
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:47,390
of people going into town to see him and

1166
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:51,650
they did so yes you get some when they

1167
01:01:56,380 --> 01:01:54,170
when they did these interviews back then

1168
01:01:59,440 --> 01:01:56,390
I mean everybody from that time it's

1169
01:02:02,380 --> 01:01:59,450
done now but when they did it way back

1170
01:02:04,059 --> 01:02:02,390
then several of them said yes it was

1171
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:04,069
true and it was a couple said no it was

1172
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:06,890
a fake so you know you get 5050 yeah

1173
01:02:13,539 --> 01:02:10,130
personally personally I believe it

1174
01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:13,549
absolutely happened I spoke to Jim Marrs

1175
01:02:19,779 --> 01:02:15,470
like I said and he believed it

1176
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:19,789
absolutely happened so there you go now

1177
01:02:25,749 --> 01:02:23,690
Jim Barse had the opportunity to very

1178
01:02:28,509 --> 01:02:25,759
early on to to get in there and actually

1179
01:02:32,410 --> 01:02:28,519
interview some of the people who were

1180
01:02:35,859 --> 01:02:32,420
still alive you know that that had

1181
01:02:37,930 --> 01:02:35,869
witnessed this this event and and you're

1182
01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:37,940
probably right though I mean I find that

1183
01:02:43,809 --> 01:02:41,470
really interesting that that this this

1184
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:43,819
creature entity whatever you want to

1185
01:02:47,710 --> 01:02:46,130
call it you know probably was sitting in

1186
01:02:50,259 --> 01:02:47,720
a coffin for a little while before they

1187
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:50,269
they finally buried it but I'm like you

1188
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:52,640
I've I have never heard anybody ever

1189
01:03:01,300 --> 01:02:57,440
mentioned that there were two creatures

1190
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:01,310
found at this cry it was always one no I

1191
01:03:05,470 --> 01:03:03,770
neither in like and talk about Jim Marrs

1192
01:03:08,860 --> 01:03:05,480
he was one of the investigators there in

1193
01:03:12,010 --> 01:03:08,870
1973 mm-hm so he had been investigating

1194
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:12,020
there since 1973 up until the time he

1195
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,330
died he done documentaries he'd wrote

1196
01:03:19,540 --> 01:03:16,880
books he'd wrote articles he'd spoke at

1197
01:03:23,890 --> 01:03:19,550
conferences he knew the Aurora case

1198
01:03:26,140 --> 01:03:23,900
better than anyone and he was a 8o mean

1199
01:03:28,510 --> 01:03:26,150
he firmly believed that it happened and

1200
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:28,520
he was thrilled that I was doing this

1201
01:03:34,210 --> 01:03:32,000
novel even though it was a part fiction

1202
01:03:37,330 --> 01:03:34,220
but it was it was paying homage to the

1203
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:37,340
crash that to get the word out about it

1204
01:03:41,380 --> 01:03:39,410
because it's it's such one it's one of

1205
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:41,390
those cases that just doesn't get talked

1206
01:03:48,190 --> 01:03:44,930
about well now why did you decide to

1207
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:48,200
take the novelization approach to this

1208
01:03:52,780 --> 01:03:50,930
book well I wrote the screenplay and

1209
01:03:55,420 --> 01:03:52,790
that was my whole goal was to make a

1210
01:03:57,490 --> 01:03:55,430
great movie out of it but the people

1211
01:03:59,140 --> 01:03:57,500
that read the screenplay said oh my gosh

1212
01:04:01,090 --> 01:03:59,150
this is so good you need to do it as a

1213
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:01,100
novel so I went back and spent another

1214
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:03,050
year and a half and developed it into a

1215
01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:06,650
novel expanded it wrote backgrounds for

1216
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:09,110
the characters and and just let it form

1217
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:15,050
itself into a 260 page novel and again

1218
01:04:21,010 --> 01:04:16,720
though the screenplay was written first

1219
01:04:22,990 --> 01:04:21,020
so I'm just I'm just hoping that one of

1220
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:23,000
these days I can find somebody that is

1221
01:04:30,010 --> 01:04:25,610
interested enough to make the screenplay

1222
01:04:35,290 --> 01:04:30,020
into a full full movie where's Oliver

1223
01:04:37,780 --> 01:04:35,300
Stone when you need them so now your

1224
01:04:40,210 --> 01:04:37,790
novel is in two parts one part takes

1225
01:04:42,910 --> 01:04:40,220
place you know in the the 19th century

1226
01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:42,920
at the crash and then it brings it up to

1227
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:45,350
modern times with with what are they

1228
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:47,990
like trying to you know find the body or

1229
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:50,530
the the crash site or what's going on

1230
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:53,930
well it goes back and forth from 1897 to

1231
01:05:01,390 --> 01:04:57,490
1997 and the premise of the book is in

1232
01:05:03,550 --> 01:05:01,400
1997 this girl reporter in Gainesville

1233
01:05:06,190 --> 01:05:03,560
Texas which is like 50 miles from Aurora

1234
01:05:08,650 --> 01:05:06,200
is she writes a column called the

1235
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:08,660
century and the names and discovers this

1236
01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:11,810
old ancient article about this the the

1237
01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:14,310
original article about the crashed

1238
01:05:19,099 --> 01:05:17,160
into the windmill and she takes it to

1239
01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:19,109
her editor he gets all excited he sends

1240
01:05:24,170 --> 01:05:22,440
her over to find out what's going on

1241
01:05:27,290 --> 01:05:24,180
find out where he's buried write a

1242
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:27,300
follow-up story to it and of course that

1243
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:29,910
stirs up all kinds of trouble because

1244
01:05:34,790 --> 01:05:31,920
the locals have been trying to keep this

1245
01:05:37,460 --> 01:05:34,800
quiet and keep where he was buried

1246
01:05:39,470 --> 01:05:37,470
hidden for the last hundred years and

1247
01:05:43,010 --> 01:05:39,480
she's over there and turning over stones

1248
01:05:44,660 --> 01:05:43,020
and getting the FBI involved and and and

1249
01:05:46,220 --> 01:05:44,670
causing all this trouble now all that's

1250
01:05:50,570 --> 01:05:46,230
all that's fiction

1251
01:05:53,690 --> 01:05:50,580
but that the the the flashback sequences

1252
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:53,700
to 1897 are written and described

1253
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,570
exactly as it would have happened so

1254
01:06:02,690 --> 01:05:59,760
again it's it's it's a the novel is

1255
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:02,700
basically historical fiction based on

1256
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:12,210
the actual event do you see do you is

1257
01:06:15,710 --> 01:06:14,130
there a similarity okay you talked about

1258
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:15,720
how the locals you know in the

1259
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,690
novelization part are trying to keep

1260
01:06:22,550 --> 01:06:20,160
this a secret and trying to you know

1261
01:06:27,230 --> 01:06:22,560
keep people away do you think that

1262
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:27,240
that's you know more than likely that

1263
01:06:32,540 --> 01:06:29,760
was going on in the 1970s is that still

1264
01:06:37,099 --> 01:06:32,550
the case or do you think it's it's now

1265
01:06:41,290 --> 01:06:37,109
there the locals are wanting to embrace

1266
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:41,300
this unique story oh now the locals are

1267
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:45,359
they got a little spaceship built out

1268
01:06:52,070 --> 01:06:48,810
and a little Aurora park celebrating the

1269
01:06:55,099 --> 01:06:52,080
event they have an annual visit to the

1270
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:55,109
cemetery and a keynote speaker that

1271
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:58,050
comes out so yeah of course well now

1272
01:07:02,000 --> 01:06:59,400
they're making money off of it there

1273
01:07:05,030 --> 01:07:02,010
it's a tourist attraction now if you go

1274
01:07:07,370 --> 01:07:05,040
to the Aurora website there's a flying

1275
01:07:10,460 --> 01:07:07,380
saucer front flying around on there

1276
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:10,470
Aurora City website so yeah they're

1277
01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:13,490
there they're capitalizing on it now

1278
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:17,220
after all what's the population of

1279
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:21,930
Aurora these days I have no idea it's

1280
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:25,890
whether the 300 yeah I'm sure it is that

1281
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:27,510
but they do have a they do have a

1282
01:07:31,609 --> 01:07:28,440
nice-looking web

1283
01:07:33,859 --> 01:07:31,619
so and it it it shows the Flying Saucer

1284
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:33,869
on it so the other they're capitalizing

1285
01:07:39,050 --> 01:07:36,810
on it now but I think in 1973 they just

1286
01:07:40,460 --> 01:07:39,060
wish the whole event would go away

1287
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:40,470
because people were over there asking

1288
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:41,730
questions that they didn't want to talk

1289
01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:44,880
about and why do you think they didn't

1290
01:07:51,620 --> 01:07:48,630
want to talk about it then well well you

1291
01:07:52,339 --> 01:07:51,630
know that's a good question that would

1292
01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:52,349
have been that would have been a

1293
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:54,420
question for Jim Marrs as far as I know

1294
01:07:58,940 --> 01:07:58,170
they just you know country people at the

1295
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,950
time back then

1296
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:01,200
it wasn't a popular subject for them

1297
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:04,170
it'd been so long ago they didn't want

1298
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:05,730
to discuss it they didn't want to they

1299
01:08:11,089 --> 01:08:07,859
didn't want all this trampling through

1300
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:11,099
their graveyard for one thing yeah and

1301
01:08:17,780 --> 01:08:14,970
if you if aliens did exist a lot of them

1302
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:17,790
would have the seen them as being

1303
01:08:23,630 --> 01:08:21,449
demonic yeah the seventies you know back

1304
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:23,640
then that was a whole different time

1305
01:08:29,150 --> 01:08:25,890
than man and they won't talk about this

1306
01:08:31,420 --> 01:08:29,160
back then and where today they're there

1307
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:31,430
like I said they're capitalized

1308
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:35,040
well and plus back back then and I mean

1309
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:37,710
I know I mean I grew up in it you know

1310
01:08:42,499 --> 01:08:40,770
in rural communities you didn't you

1311
01:08:46,099 --> 01:08:42,509
didn't air your dirty laundry to

1312
01:08:48,650 --> 01:08:46,109
outsiders and a story like that that

1313
01:08:50,329 --> 01:08:48,660
yeah you you don't talk about that

1314
01:08:53,090 --> 01:08:50,339
that's a something you know it's just

1315
01:08:57,410 --> 01:08:53,100
like nope you know we're just not gonna

1316
01:08:59,300 --> 01:08:57,420
talk to it right so yeah so I could I

1317
01:09:01,400 --> 01:08:59,310
could under I can understand that that

1318
01:09:06,050 --> 01:09:01,410
part completely so I wonder how long

1319
01:09:08,380 --> 01:09:06,060
it'll be Tim before they like well like

1320
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:08,390
oh gosh

1321
01:09:14,450 --> 01:09:11,130
Point Pleasant and places like that

1322
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:14,460
before they have a yearly can convention

1323
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:19,440
and fair and festival and all that well

1324
01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:21,330
I'm sure they I'm sure they're probably

1325
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:24,420
setting it up and organizing it as we

1326
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:30,000
speak as we as we speak but now have you

1327
01:09:32,209 --> 01:09:30,449
in

1328
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:32,219
are there other cases that you've

1329
01:09:39,979 --> 01:09:35,120
investigated the outside of this one

1330
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,989
Aurora yes no no I'm really

1331
01:09:44,030 --> 01:09:42,000
investigating yeah

1332
01:09:46,660 --> 01:09:44,040
except for UFOs in the Old West like I

1333
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:46,670
said I got to do I got to do some some

1334
01:09:51,170 --> 01:09:49,140
presentations that a couple of MUFON

1335
01:09:55,940 --> 01:09:51,180
events coming up so I put together a

1336
01:09:58,850 --> 01:09:55,950
nice slideshow that kept that talks

1337
01:10:01,460 --> 01:09:58,860
about UFOs Old West shows some some

1338
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:01,470
photos from the Old West of flying

1339
01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:04,560
saucers and and I've got several several

1340
01:10:12,140 --> 01:10:08,040
accounts from the 1860s and 70s to read

1341
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:12,150
and but but to delve into a specific

1342
01:10:18,830 --> 01:10:15,420
event no I've read a lot about Roswell

1343
01:10:21,410 --> 01:10:18,840
and understand what happened yeah no no

1344
01:10:23,060 --> 01:10:21,420
I remembered there's a case we wrote up

1345
01:10:25,190 --> 01:10:23,070
in one of our books all right I don't

1346
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:25,200
know how well it's documented I don't

1347
01:10:28,940 --> 01:10:26,640
know how much detail we had been an

1348
01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:28,950
object supposedly crashed and they they

1349
01:10:33,380 --> 01:10:30,360
had some of the wreckage and they left

1350
01:10:38,210 --> 01:10:33,390
it in the window of one of the you know

1351
01:10:39,770 --> 01:10:38,220
stores and in in town and somebody came

1352
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:39,780
and offered a money for it and that I

1353
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:41,850
think it disappeared from the window I

1354
01:10:45,770 --> 01:10:43,490
think that that was in Missouri

1355
01:10:48,130 --> 01:10:45,780
somewhere of course then that was that

1356
01:10:51,860 --> 01:10:48,140
was you're starting to get out west

1357
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:51,870
about the 1860s all right we need to go

1358
01:10:56,450 --> 01:10:53,730
to our bottom of the hour break here so

1359
01:11:05,580 --> 01:10:56,460
we will continue with more UFOs on

1360
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:09,729
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1361
01:11:15,310 --> 01:11:12,320
two of the most electrifying researchers

1362
01:11:23,229 --> 01:11:15,320
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1363
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:23,239
beckoning Anton Swiss final sexy show so

1364
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:24,530
we need to get right into it and

1365
01:11:31,899 --> 01:11:28,489
Kathleen I wanted to ask you you were

1366
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:31,909
talking during during a previous segment

1367
01:11:39,220 --> 01:11:35,090
about the the questionnaire and I I just

1368
01:11:44,580 --> 01:11:39,230
I I find it really intriguing so many of

1369
01:11:47,529 --> 01:11:44,590
these people that that you talked to had

1370
01:11:51,089 --> 01:11:47,539
experienced what you know for one of a

1371
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:51,099
better word paranormal experiences after

1372
01:12:00,640 --> 01:11:55,210
there were after during hello continuing

1373
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:00,650
there are their experiences now I I know

1374
01:12:05,979 --> 01:12:03,440
that that you know we really are we're

1375
01:12:07,959 --> 01:12:05,989
just we're just shouting in the dark but

1376
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:07,969
but I know that a lot of the you know

1377
01:12:14,620 --> 01:12:13,369
like nuts and bolts UFO believers just I

1378
01:12:16,529 --> 01:12:14,630
mean they just want to you know put

1379
01:12:18,879 --> 01:12:16,539
their hands up over the years and go I

1380
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:18,889
would you when you start talking about

1381
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:21,440
you know parent the paranormal and UFOs

1382
01:12:29,549 --> 01:12:26,449
yet time and time again we see this crop

1383
01:12:36,430 --> 01:12:29,559
up so there has to be something going on

1384
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:36,440
absolutely I mean it at least 65% of the

1385
01:12:44,259 --> 01:12:39,650
experiencers who participated in this

1386
01:12:50,350 --> 01:12:44,269
research project have light orbs in

1387
01:12:52,089 --> 01:12:50,360
their homes that float one of them when

1388
01:12:55,899 --> 01:12:52,099
one of the big cases that I have

1389
01:13:00,279 --> 01:12:55,909
investigated had a lot of photographs of

1390
01:13:07,209 --> 01:13:00,289
light orbs and this man was diagnosed

1391
01:13:09,509 --> 01:13:07,219
with cancer lymphoma and they believed

1392
01:13:13,390 --> 01:13:09,519
that it might have been metastatic and

1393
01:13:15,939 --> 01:13:13,400
the he went to bed one night

1394
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:15,949
and this light orb slid down the wall

1395
01:13:22,330 --> 01:13:18,650
flew across the room sort of like a

1396
01:13:26,770 --> 01:13:22,340
butterfly and just dove down into his

1397
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:26,780
body when he woke up 12 to 14 hours

1398
01:13:35,229 --> 01:13:31,010
later and he caught the Sun video when

1399
01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:35,239
he woke up the nodes in his neck were

1400
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:39,409
almost gone where it had they had been

1401
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:41,690
very swollen and wrapped around to the

1402
01:13:47,649 --> 01:13:45,050
back of his neck pretty you know what

1403
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:47,659
was it was was this associated though it

1404
01:13:53,950 --> 01:13:50,000
with UFO it sightings I mean a certain

1405
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:53,960
connection oh yes he's an experiencer

1406
01:14:00,430 --> 01:13:58,010
he's an abductee and there is a definite

1407
01:14:03,570 --> 01:14:00,440
connection between experiencers

1408
01:14:08,939 --> 01:14:03,580
contactees abductees all of them have it

1409
01:14:12,580 --> 01:14:08,949
and these light orbs in their homes a

1410
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:12,590
lot of people think that the ETS are

1411
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:15,920
able to insert their consciousness into

1412
01:14:27,310 --> 01:14:23,210
a ball of light which will help set the

1413
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:27,320
nuts and bolts people know yeah I would

1414
01:14:34,380 --> 01:14:30,550
think I would think so but okay so now

1415
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:34,390
do these these beings these entities

1416
01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:37,690
today obviously you're not from the same

1417
01:14:45,070 --> 01:14:41,510
locations well they certainly look

1418
01:14:48,270 --> 01:14:45,080
different yeah I have some photographs

1419
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:48,280
that some people have taken off them

1420
01:14:55,470 --> 01:14:51,170
they're less selves to be photographed

1421
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:55,480
more more now than ever the the

1422
01:15:00,610 --> 01:14:57,650
electromagnetic field that they would

1423
01:15:02,380 --> 01:15:00,620
put up previously was so intense it

1424
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:02,390
would you know drain the batteries of

1425
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:04,640
the camera or or you get just blurry

1426
01:15:11,950 --> 01:15:08,840
lines I've been receiving some fairly

1427
01:15:14,590 --> 01:15:11,960
clear photographs okay is there anything

1428
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:14,600
that you could share with us for our

1429
01:15:22,350 --> 01:15:19,010
YouTube presentation I'm going to be no

1430
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:22,360
I can't but I'm going to be showing some

1431
01:15:29,330 --> 01:15:24,210
of this

1432
01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:29,340
when I'm speaking this year and so I

1433
01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:32,270
swear you swear where are you speaking

1434
01:15:40,810 --> 01:15:36,060
well one place where I'll be speaking is

1435
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:40,820
that the mutual UFO network s--

1436
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:44,010
international symposium and that is

1437
01:15:52,220 --> 01:15:48,719
going to be in July in Cherry Hill New

1438
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:52,230
Jersey I'm going to be doing two

1439
01:16:00,380 --> 01:15:55,890
sessions for experiencers at 7:30 and

1440
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:00,390
morning on Saturday and Sunday and I

1441
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:02,880
will be showing that those photographs

1442
01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:06,510
then and then on Sunday I'm also

1443
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:10,409
lecturing from the main stage well if I

1444
01:16:17,689 --> 01:16:14,010
if I am in a good health at the time I I

1445
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:17,699
will come down to attend I'm not all

1446
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:21,090
that far far away I've been to a a good

1447
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:23,610
UFO conference in a in a while there's a

1448
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:26,400
fella by name a pet market Illya used to

1449
01:16:32,660 --> 01:16:27,810
have but conventions there and

1450
01:16:34,850 --> 01:16:32,670
interested and yes he's a I was

1451
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:34,860
wondering a perhaps we should invite him

1452
01:16:38,419 --> 01:16:36,330
on the show I haven't spoke to him in a

1453
01:16:41,959 --> 01:16:38,429
while he's kind of a charming your

1454
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:41,969
fellow a doctor a UFO I believe he first

1455
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:43,890
himself oh yes I know we had he had a

1456
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:47,850
license car vanity plates were dr. UFO

1457
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:53,610
or something yeah yeah and he has his

1458
01:17:06,950 --> 01:16:58,560
own little traveling UFO Museum there

1459
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:06,960
there you go but so in Roswell at the

1460
01:17:15,620 --> 01:17:08,850
beginning of July and I'll be up in

1461
01:17:16,270 --> 01:17:15,630
Toronto June 22nd or a 4th what's going

1462
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:16,280
on up there

1463
01:17:23,689 --> 01:17:21,210
it's the UFO conference uh-huh yeah and

1464
01:17:26,899 --> 01:17:23,699
that the is that the one Richard Syrett

1465
01:17:27,620 --> 01:17:26,909
puts together um well I've been talking

1466
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:27,630
to

1467
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:32,130
Stu Bundy ah Richard Richard you've

1468
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:34,010
probably been on his show he has the

1469
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:38,000
conspiracy program on

1470
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:42,960
Zoomer is a Zoomer radio Tim yes because

1471
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:45,780
we've been on there a couple of times

1472
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:48,650
ourselves but okay so you have these now

1473
01:17:53,780 --> 01:17:51,450
what size are the orbs of you are we

1474
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:53,790
talking about baseball size of you know

1475
01:17:58,340 --> 01:17:55,290
they're usually pretty small are they

1476
01:18:02,060 --> 01:17:58,350
all the same they're all generally about

1477
01:18:05,390 --> 01:18:02,070
the size of a baseball or a softball and

1478
01:18:10,700 --> 01:18:05,400
the photographs they they appear to have

1479
01:18:13,010 --> 01:18:10,710
a white interior and a blue exterior

1480
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:13,020
they're not all the same color I've

1481
01:18:20,300 --> 01:18:15,090
received other ones from from

1482
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:20,310
individuals some a red some are yellow

1483
01:18:27,620 --> 01:18:23,130
with some more gray but those were more

1484
01:18:32,900 --> 01:18:27,630
in negative experiences but in the more

1485
01:18:37,010 --> 01:18:32,910
positive experiences and from from the

1486
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:37,020
reports that I have they have that sort

1487
01:18:43,930 --> 01:18:40,860
of light blue outer surface and and seem

1488
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:43,940
to be white on the inside

1489
01:18:51,470 --> 01:18:48,480
anybody try to capture one I don't think

1490
01:18:53,810 --> 01:18:51,480
they can capture them I don't know if

1491
01:18:57,440 --> 01:18:53,820
anybody has tried to get the background

1492
01:19:01,240 --> 01:18:57,450
cleaner out you a story about a personal

1493
01:19:05,660 --> 01:19:01,250
experience I had yeah after that craft

1494
01:19:08,150 --> 01:19:05,670
landed across the street from my

1495
01:19:12,050 --> 01:19:08,160
childhood home on my grandparents farm

1496
01:19:14,930 --> 01:19:12,060
that Betty tried to vector in we started

1497
01:19:16,580 --> 01:19:14,940
to have light orbs in my childhood home

1498
01:19:20,150 --> 01:19:16,590
and that was about the time I was going

1499
01:19:22,250 --> 01:19:20,160
off to college so I you know I sort of

1500
01:19:24,050 --> 01:19:22,260
took it with a grain of salt I thought

1501
01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:24,060
maybe my family was getting a little

1502
01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:27,240
kooky at that time but I'll tell you

1503
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:31,260
years later Here I am married I have two

1504
01:19:39,380 --> 01:19:34,110
children and I'm back at my parents

1505
01:19:42,230 --> 01:19:39,390
house with my kids and my son wakes me

1506
01:19:45,050 --> 01:19:42,240
up in the middle of the night he's in my

1507
01:19:47,450 --> 01:19:45,060
brother's bedroom which because my

1508
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:47,460
brother's grown up and gone but he's in

1509
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,930
that bedroom where a lot of that

1510
01:19:53,629 --> 01:19:51,360
activity took place

1511
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,639
he's wreaking havoc in the middle of the

1512
01:19:59,600 --> 01:19:56,400
night yelling and running around so I I

1513
01:20:00,220 --> 01:19:59,610
get up I go into his bedroom and there

1514
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:00,230
he is

1515
01:20:07,310 --> 01:20:03,600
chasing one of those orbs around trying

1516
01:20:09,979 --> 01:20:07,320
to jump up and bat it it it looked like

1517
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:09,989
it was having fun too scared the heck

1518
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:13,020
out of me I picked my son up and

1519
01:20:20,060 --> 01:20:17,130
immediately took him into my bedroom but

1520
01:20:21,859 --> 01:20:20,070
I have seen one and it was I'd say about

1521
01:20:25,010 --> 01:20:21,869
the size of a baseball softball

1522
01:20:27,620 --> 01:20:25,020
something like that not little they are

1523
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:27,630
they able to pass through objects so

1524
01:20:34,189 --> 01:20:30,239
they make any sound yes they can pass

1525
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:34,199
through objects hmm and I've never heard

1526
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:40,170
of them making a sound and okay so they

1527
01:20:46,220 --> 01:20:43,290
they pass through objects they they

1528
01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:46,230
seemed obviously are they remote control

1529
01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:48,300
there are are they in intelligence of

1530
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:52,020
their own you know I I just think that

1531
01:20:59,740 --> 01:20:56,010
the I agree that these non-human aid

1532
01:21:04,040 --> 01:20:59,750
entities are able to insert intelligence

1533
01:21:07,939 --> 01:21:04,050
into this like little plasma ball of

1534
01:21:11,090 --> 01:21:07,949
light and they seem to have intention

1535
01:21:15,859 --> 01:21:11,100
and people report that sometimes they

1536
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:15,869
expand into a nonhuman entity perhaps

1537
01:21:18,129 --> 01:21:16,560
that's it

1538
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:18,139
perhaps it's the other way around

1539
01:21:26,660 --> 01:21:22,530
because we have all of these different

1540
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:26,670
shapes sizes of these entities that are

1541
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:29,850
being seen perhaps that's their natural

1542
01:21:37,250 --> 01:21:33,330
form perhaps they are just balls of

1543
01:21:39,470 --> 01:21:37,260
light and they're able to assume really

1544
01:21:42,979 --> 01:21:39,480
any kind of shape I suppose maybe based

1545
01:21:47,060 --> 01:21:42,989
on the the perception of the human eye

1546
01:21:52,959 --> 01:21:47,070
witness well could be for some of them

1547
01:21:56,090 --> 01:21:52,969
you know and I do believe that they are

1548
01:21:57,709 --> 01:21:56,100
interdimensional to begin with from from

1549
01:22:01,180 --> 01:21:57,719
all of the research that I have done

1550
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:01,190
because certainly they can pass through

1551
01:22:09,450 --> 01:22:03,760
solid surfaces

1552
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:09,460
and so I you know maybe they are you

1553
01:22:16,890 --> 01:22:13,330
hear of experiencers that and I've

1554
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:16,900
talked to Susie Hanson for example and

1555
01:22:22,380 --> 01:22:19,120
she's from New Zealand and she talks

1556
01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:22,390
about these light orbs and when she was

1557
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:26,580
a child she would go to a craft and

1558
01:22:34,979 --> 01:22:30,000
these nonhumans would have these blue

1559
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:34,989
balls of light and the children would

1560
01:22:41,729 --> 01:22:38,800
practice using their minds in order to

1561
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:41,739
sort of play a game with these light

1562
01:22:47,010 --> 01:22:44,320
orbs where they would become buoyant and

1563
01:22:49,140 --> 01:22:47,020
they would move in the air and a child

1564
01:22:52,410 --> 01:22:49,150
would move it to another child and that

1565
01:22:59,280 --> 01:22:52,420
sort of thing and what Susie said is

1566
01:23:02,660 --> 01:22:59,290
that they contain Souls and she said

1567
01:23:07,170 --> 01:23:02,670
that one of them contained the soul of

1568
01:23:12,420 --> 01:23:07,180
the son that she was going to have when

1569
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:12,430
she grew up well that's that's mind

1570
01:23:19,229 --> 01:23:15,910
blowing it's very mind blowing and I

1571
01:23:22,170 --> 01:23:19,239
have to tell you dr. Rudy shield who's

1572
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:22,180
an astrophysicist who recently retired

1573
01:23:31,500 --> 01:23:27,489
from Harvard wrote commentary in Susie's

1574
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:31,510
book based upon the quantum holographic

1575
01:23:40,050 --> 01:23:36,370
theory so what is the lady's name Susie

1576
01:23:43,260 --> 01:23:40,060
Hansen okay I've read some of her stuff

1577
01:23:46,860 --> 01:23:43,270
we we were regular contributors to the

1578
01:23:49,380 --> 01:23:46,870
Sur magazine ufology which was published

1579
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:49,390
in Australia and in fact it was the last

1580
01:23:54,690 --> 01:23:52,210
English magazine on the subject you know

1581
01:23:56,940 --> 01:23:54,700
printed I feel pretty magazine when she

1582
01:24:00,110 --> 01:23:56,950
just fold a couple months ago but yeah

1583
01:24:03,060 --> 01:24:00,120
her she's had some fairly incredible

1584
01:24:04,830 --> 01:24:03,070
experiences if there wasn't such a time

1585
01:24:07,770 --> 01:24:04,840
difference between here in Australia we

1586
01:24:12,660 --> 01:24:07,780
would like to have her on but I've been

1587
01:24:15,180 --> 01:24:12,670
able to make contact but okay now we

1588
01:24:16,830 --> 01:24:15,190
have we have this okay why do they need

1589
01:24:17,459 --> 01:24:16,840
physical craft that if they're able to

1590
01:24:22,529 --> 01:24:17,469
come here

1591
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:22,539
it take on these plasma type of balls or

1592
01:24:27,049 --> 01:24:24,729
orbs as we call them what do they need

1593
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:27,059
to come in metallic spacecraft for them

1594
01:24:34,979 --> 01:24:30,719
well the the craft appears to be

1595
01:24:36,959 --> 01:24:34,989
biomechanical and some people even

1596
01:24:43,379 --> 01:24:36,969
believe that it's all biological but I

1597
01:24:45,689 --> 01:24:43,389
don't agree with that but and and I am

1598
01:24:49,109 --> 01:24:45,699
NOT a physicist I've only taken one

1599
01:24:52,979 --> 01:24:49,119
course in physics so I say a lot of this

1600
01:24:56,989 --> 01:24:52,989
is better understood by theoretical

1601
01:25:02,759 --> 01:24:56,999
physicists than certainly by myself but

1602
01:25:05,310 --> 01:25:02,769
they do even though the craft is has a

1603
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:05,320
metallic component and we know that it

1604
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:08,800
has because the evidence has been

1605
01:25:14,669 --> 01:25:11,530
collected and analyzed over the the

1606
01:25:19,919 --> 01:25:14,679
years and laboratories so we know that

1607
01:25:23,810 --> 01:25:19,929
it has this mechanical component but it

1608
01:25:28,219 --> 01:25:23,820
also based upon the reports that I

1609
01:25:31,919 --> 01:25:28,229
receive seems to have a biological

1610
01:25:35,129 --> 01:25:31,929
component as well that it it seems to

1611
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:35,139
control the craft that being in the

1612
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:37,449
central core of that craft is almost

1613
01:25:44,450 --> 01:25:40,570
like being inside of a beating heart and

1614
01:25:49,919 --> 01:25:44,460
there seems to be intelligence inside of

1615
01:25:54,830 --> 01:25:49,929
that central core and I mean it sounds

1616
01:25:57,689 --> 01:25:54,840
crazy to us because we are so primitive

1617
01:26:01,339 --> 01:25:57,699
technologically and it doesn't seem to

1618
01:26:06,839 --> 01:26:01,349
be possible given our materialistic

1619
01:26:10,939 --> 01:26:06,849
scientific laws but I receive these

1620
01:26:13,739 --> 01:26:10,949
reports over and over and over again

1621
01:26:18,089 --> 01:26:13,749
even though some of this information

1622
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:18,099
hasn't even been publicized well is it

1623
01:26:22,020 --> 01:26:20,170
really it really does make sense though

1624
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:22,030
if you think about it because look at

1625
01:26:26,729 --> 01:26:24,729
all these reports that that people have

1626
01:26:29,009 --> 01:26:26,739
I mean just just regular you know like

1627
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:29,019
that they see a UFO flying over their

1628
01:26:34,260 --> 01:26:31,210
house and they'll say

1629
01:26:37,170 --> 01:26:34,270
that they had the impression that the

1630
01:26:38,970 --> 01:26:37,180
craft knew that they were there that it

1631
01:26:42,260 --> 01:26:38,980
was aware of them that they just got

1632
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:42,270
this feeling that whatever the UFO was

1633
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:45,840
it was aware of them mm-hmm

1634
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:51,040
yes that and supposedly the intelligence

1635
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:54,070
of the non-human entities on that craft

1636
01:27:02,700 --> 01:26:57,610
is able to connect with the intelligence

1637
01:27:08,610 --> 01:27:02,710
of the craft so that they almost become

1638
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:08,620
like one unit where everyone knows what

1639
01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:12,010
everyone else is doing and where they

1640
01:27:18,630 --> 01:27:15,160
are and I've been told that the the

1641
01:27:21,870 --> 01:27:18,640
craft is capable of deflecting anything

1642
01:27:24,660 --> 01:27:21,880
that is thrown at it so that it can

1643
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:24,670
travel through space without being

1644
01:27:31,710 --> 01:27:29,440
destroyed I have a question of what to

1645
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:31,720
throw out to both of you we hear so much

1646
01:27:36,510 --> 01:27:33,760
about well recently of course the

1647
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:36,520
disclosure supposes disclosure has been

1648
01:27:41,070 --> 01:27:38,410
in the news there's been the article in

1649
01:27:46,530 --> 01:27:41,080
The New York Times and in some release

1650
01:27:51,930 --> 01:27:46,540
of video videos of these objects taken

1651
01:27:54,690 --> 01:27:51,940
under very good conditions who's holding

1652
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:54,700
back on this and and and why would you

1653
01:27:59,610 --> 01:27:57,730
say it Kerry let's start out with that

1654
01:28:02,480 --> 01:27:59,620
with you what what I mean do you think

1655
01:28:05,850 --> 01:28:02,490
that there's a cover-up going on here

1656
01:28:08,850 --> 01:28:05,860
well most countries around the world

1657
01:28:14,430 --> 01:28:08,860
have released their UFO files the US

1658
01:28:16,350 --> 01:28:14,440
still remains defiant to do that there's

1659
01:28:19,890 --> 01:28:16,360
not so much of a cover-up anymore I

1660
01:28:22,590 --> 01:28:19,900
don't think is it's it's just the the

1661
01:28:26,910 --> 01:28:22,600
there's so much other world news going

1662
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:26,920
on it Dwarfs event but yeah but there

1663
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:29,890
hasn't been any major events either to

1664
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:34,480
cover up so you know I I don't know I do

1665
01:28:39,780 --> 01:28:38,170
know that most other countries are going

1666
01:28:42,150 --> 01:28:39,790
ahead and saying yeah you know this has

1667
01:28:44,940 --> 01:28:42,160
been true and yeah we have been holding

1668
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:44,950
back but this I mean they've been

1669
01:28:54,570 --> 01:28:48,930
releasing files for the last the US

1670
01:28:56,610 --> 01:28:54,580
doesn't want to do that but then on the

1671
01:28:58,290 --> 01:28:56,620
other hand the president gets on the

1672
01:29:01,920 --> 01:28:58,300
Gerry Kimmel show and he sits there and

1673
01:29:05,970 --> 01:29:01,930
talks about UFOs for you know five or

1674
01:29:08,220 --> 01:29:05,980
six minutes I mean so I mean yeah I

1675
01:29:10,530 --> 01:29:08,230
always say disclosure hell this was

1676
01:29:12,750 --> 01:29:10,540
disclosed a long time ago if you don't

1677
01:29:13,950 --> 01:29:12,760
if you don't want to you know a look at

1678
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:13,960
it and you want to sweep it under the

1679
01:29:19,890 --> 01:29:16,960
carpet and say well it doesn't exist or

1680
01:29:24,150 --> 01:29:19,900
it doesn't I don't want it to exist in

1681
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:24,160
my you know my my life I'd rather ignore

1682
01:29:30,900 --> 01:29:26,560
it well the information is there I mean

1683
01:29:33,330 --> 01:29:30,910
there have been the in fact it Tim when

1684
01:29:33,900 --> 01:29:33,340
I looked it up on Amazon 20,000 books on

1685
01:29:37,050 --> 01:29:33,910
the subject

1686
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:37,060
UFOs and even if half of them are crap I

1687
01:29:40,830 --> 01:29:38,890
mean there's got to be a couple of

1688
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:40,840
thousand then alright I mean we've had

1689
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:42,370
some great guests on the show there are

1690
01:29:46,020 --> 01:29:43,810
people out there that have looked in

1691
01:29:49,890 --> 01:29:46,030
this you know and looked into this

1692
01:29:53,190 --> 01:29:49,900
subject very seriously for many many

1693
01:29:56,940 --> 01:29:53,200
years you know so the information is

1694
01:29:59,670 --> 01:29:56,950
there if you want to you know make it

1695
01:30:02,670 --> 01:29:59,680
available to yourself and if you don't

1696
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:02,680
well that's your problem you know that's

1697
01:30:05,790 --> 01:30:04,210
what I always say I don't think anybody

1698
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:05,800
has to get on the news at six o'clock

1699
01:30:11,730 --> 01:30:08,410
and and say the aliens are arrived

1700
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:11,740
because those people I think there's a

1701
01:30:16,530 --> 01:30:13,330
good chance that they realize and if

1702
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:16,540
they do and if they don't so what you

1703
01:30:21,930 --> 01:30:18,250
know I mean that's kind of my opinion on

1704
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:21,940
this we either accept it or you don't

1705
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:24,880
accept it you're open-minded people have

1706
01:30:30,150 --> 01:30:27,520
had the opportunity to understand that

1707
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:30,160
we've been visited for decades they're

1708
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:31,840
not gonna get on the six o'clock news

1709
01:30:36,420 --> 01:30:34,690
and do a presentation so yeah we covered

1710
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:36,430
all this up because I mean it would

1711
01:30:42,030 --> 01:30:39,010
destroy it would it would cause panic it

1712
01:30:44,370 --> 01:30:42,040
would destroy I don't know if he would

1713
01:30:46,440 --> 01:30:44,380
cause I don't hey if this country can

1714
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:46,450
get away with what's going on now in

1715
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:48,730
this world I don't know if anything

1716
01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:51,040
would cause panic at this point you know

1717
01:30:55,500 --> 01:30:53,710
I don't know panic i i I think I would

1718
01:30:58,740 --> 01:30:55,510
well I I think a lot of people would

1719
01:31:01,740 --> 01:30:58,750
welcome a little attention from

1720
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:01,750
you know out of space but Kathleen

1721
01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:03,850
you're you're in the you're in the

1722
01:31:10,050 --> 01:31:07,510
middle of this I mean do you see any any

1723
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:10,060
major breakthrough it I mean is anybody

1724
01:31:15,900 --> 01:31:13,930
going to open the open the valve so to

1725
01:31:18,750 --> 01:31:15,910
speak and let out more of this

1726
01:31:21,210 --> 01:31:18,760
information or make some outstanding you

1727
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:21,220
know a statement that will send us a

1728
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:23,410
reeling out of the room or back on our

1729
01:31:28,530 --> 01:31:26,170
heels I'm somewhat pessimistic about

1730
01:31:32,190 --> 01:31:28,540
that and the reason for that is the

1731
01:31:35,300 --> 01:31:32,200
experience or survey demonstrated to me

1732
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:35,310
that experiencers view themselves

1733
01:31:42,330 --> 01:31:38,290
differently than those who are not they

1734
01:31:46,860 --> 01:31:42,340
view themselves as people of Earth not

1735
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:46,870
as someone who has a loyalty to a little

1736
01:31:55,470 --> 01:31:50,490
nationalistic country yeah yeah the

1737
01:32:00,890 --> 01:31:55,480
government's view themselves in a very

1738
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:00,900
nationalistic kind of way our economy is

1739
01:32:10,370 --> 01:32:07,210
based upon war and and and building

1740
01:32:14,910 --> 01:32:10,380
weapons and a lot of money is to be made

1741
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:14,920
by doing that yes though you be there's

1742
01:32:24,710 --> 01:32:21,970
no money in orbs that we are being

1743
01:32:28,140 --> 01:32:24,720
visited by an X or several

1744
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:28,150
extraterrestrial civilizations 70 of

1745
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:30,010
them I I heard I don't know 70 of them

1746
01:32:36,990 --> 01:32:32,530
they're coming yeah we would begin to

1747
01:32:40,140 --> 01:32:37,000
view ourselves as one world and that

1748
01:32:44,580 --> 01:32:40,150
would be a financial disaster for those

1749
01:32:48,510 --> 01:32:44,590
who have an interest in making money

1750
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:48,520
through war and through I guess so hey

1751
01:32:55,230 --> 01:32:51,450
we're coming up we're coming up on the

1752
01:32:57,150 --> 01:32:55,240
gonna say witching hour here and we're

1753
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:57,160
all gonna turn into orbs in a couple of

1754
01:33:01,140 --> 01:32:58,960
minutes so I want to give you all the

1755
01:33:02,610 --> 01:33:01,150
opportunity I carried to tell us where

1756
01:33:05,430 --> 01:33:02,620
can they get your book what are you up

1757
01:33:10,350 --> 01:33:05,440
to and how can people get in touch with

1758
01:33:11,710 --> 01:33:10,360
you well it's gonna Mazon the name of

1759
01:33:14,620 --> 01:33:11,720
the novelist traveler

1760
01:33:16,630 --> 01:33:14,630
it's by me Carrie Trent Haggard that's

1761
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:16,640
the easiest way to find it's just my

1762
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:19,520
name's ke rry Trent Haggard and

1763
01:33:25,900 --> 01:33:22,850
traveller so it's only Amazon and I'm

1764
01:33:28,180 --> 01:33:25,910
here in Pennsylvania shooting a show on

1765
01:33:31,630 --> 01:33:28,190
antique car so that's what I'm doing

1766
01:33:34,810 --> 01:33:31,640
all right antique car you know I used to

1767
01:33:36,370 --> 01:33:34,820
go and visit Muhammad Ali and he had

1768
01:33:37,900 --> 01:33:36,380
what he had classic cars I don't know if

1769
01:33:40,900 --> 01:33:37,910
there would be considered antique or not

1770
01:33:44,670 --> 01:33:40,910
but he had quite a collection of cars

1771
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:44,680
and Kathleen where do you go from here

1772
01:33:52,270 --> 01:33:50,570
got a book that works pardon me okay I

1773
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:52,280
do have a new book in the works I

1774
01:33:57,730 --> 01:33:54,170
believe it will be released in July

1775
01:34:00,430 --> 01:33:57,740
it's the experiencers handbook a book

1776
01:34:04,210 --> 01:34:00,440
written specifically for experiencers

1777
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:04,220
and you can purchase any of my four

1778
01:34:10,270 --> 01:34:07,040
books that I have now autographed copies

1779
01:34:12,450 --> 01:34:10,280
on my website or on Amazon Barnes and

1780
01:34:15,970 --> 01:34:12,460
Noble they're available in multiple

1781
01:34:21,250 --> 01:34:15,980
formats through Amazon and Barnes &

1782
01:34:24,430 --> 01:34:21,260
Noble and and other online bookstore you

1783
01:34:28,540 --> 01:34:24,440
can google all of us and tim we have a

1784
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,550
couple of new books out Nick one on

1785
01:34:34,630 --> 01:34:30,560
Nikola Tesla that you put together and

1786
01:34:38,110 --> 01:34:34,640
the purple plates and we've got another

1787
01:34:38,530 --> 01:34:38,120
one of these alien hostilities and of

1788
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:38,540
course

1789
01:34:45,100 --> 01:34:41,690
winged wonders which is one of my

1790
01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:45,110
favorite books on cryptozoology and if

1791
01:34:51,820 --> 01:34:49,280
you go to amazon.com and just type in

1792
01:34:55,180 --> 01:34:51,830
the Tim Schwartz or Tim Buckley you'll

1793
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:55,190
find out in almost 300 titles and you

1794
01:34:59,380 --> 01:34:57,050
could always find us on the Facebook

1795
01:35:03,640 --> 01:34:59,390
it's Tim Buckley in Tim sports and of

1796
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:03,650
course a tune into K cor radio every

1797
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:05,810
Thursday and go to our YouTube channel

1798
01:35:14,260 --> 01:35:08,930
mr. UFO secret files were approaching

1799
01:35:15,780 --> 01:35:14,270
200 audio and videos up there and you

1800
01:35:19,090 --> 01:35:15,790
could spend the rest of your life just

1801
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:19,100
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1802
01:35:33,490 --> 01:35:29,620
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1803
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:33,500
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1804
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:36,770
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1805
01:35:41,650 --> 01:35:39,290
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1806
01:35:44,740 --> 01:35:41,660
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1807
01:35:46,069 --> 01:35:44,750
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1808
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1809
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1810
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:53,010
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1811
01:35:59,899 --> 01:35:56,489
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1812
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1813
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:03,000
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1814
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